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Revolution Rising
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.17 14:38:00 -
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I can understand CCP wanting to allow meta-gaming in eve to keep things "real" and interesting for adults playing the game.
Honestly though, after joining the amarrian militia you have to wonder if it's not just a game breaker.
You cannot get info because most of them dont even read the militia window anymore.
Many of them are in corps - this is true and they have their own chat channels.
However, looking at the militia window currently just after DT, there are plenty of people there.
I and a couple of other new people to FW couldn't get any information on antyhing.
Spies have run rampant to such an extent that the entire process of gainging new players to play FW seems to have completely broken down.
Intel doesn't really happen in the channel, no intel for some means we can't really fly the ships we'd like to.
No fleets because spies could too easily get into them means we can't even orchestrate a decent gank.
I can understand the many people who are happy to play FW right now and have already got into these closed groups, however for many of us who are high SP and just want to pewpew something without the hassle or needing a break from joining corps/alliances - it's a time waster to try and PVP without intel or collaboration.
CCP - this needs fixing desperately or just remove it. The necessary collaboration in low-sec as opposed to incursions in high-sec is completely different, and requires trust which cannot occur in your game - by your own design.
Have you considered any tools or ideas to help this along?
Or is it just going to continue to be another one of your half-baked ideas?
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Revolution Rising
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.17 15:30:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:Why not form your own fleet with other new guys and go pew pew?
Or are you just another person who joins FW thinking they have a divine right to immediate access to everything a lot of corps have spent a lot I time, effort and isk creating?
No offense intended.
What a stupid answer, no offense.
Which is it the intel channel or the fleet these corps spend heaps of isk on ?
Really 
I'm just pointing out an obvious flaw in the master plan.
I have already said it is a given that my perspective is going to be different from the melodrama queens who will obviously troll this thread because they have been doing FW for a longass time.
However, your opinion is about as valid as a 6 year old player commenting on the new player experience - I wouldn't know.
Same, your opinion isn't valid as a new player trying to get into FW and coming up against the harsh wall of silence when it comes to intel/fleets/TS.
If you can't understand what I'm saying, go to the next thread in the forum.
It's not some personal attack on corps doing what corps must do to survive.
It's an obvious flaw in the system that I'm pointing out and wondering if CCP in their rewrite/revisit of FW in the near future might do something about. If no inconsistencies are ever brought to light, then nothing will ever get fixed. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
70
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Posted - 2012.02.25 21:00:00 -
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lol this thread is still going, I'd completely forgotten about it.
Started a low-sec corp with some friends instead.
Hope all the FW spying works itself out, GL with that.
edit:
Really had to laugh at this post.
Ash Stewart wrote:
But seriously though... i've found the whole spy thing annoying and joined a null sec alliance.... there's that option for you too.
Seriously?
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:40:00 -
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I have read quite a bit about spies here...
However, there are some really half baked ideas regarding ALL KINDS OF THEORIES which are just basically wrong.
If you check the industry forums you find many people asking why the hulk shouldn't get a buff so it has more tank - so they don't get ganked in highsec so easily by cormorants lol.
These are the GREAT MINDS behind much of eve gameplay.
So tell me this very simply.
If I start FW today as a solo pilot, and I ask for access just to the intel channels that are run by these "in groups" in FW.
And of course intel channels shouldn't have blue intel and should only have RED intel.
What benefit is there for enemies knowing what our red intel is?
Now don't get me wrong, there are a few reasons I can think of - perhaps we don't want THEM to know WE know that they're there - sure but let's face it that's once in every 100 years of eve play with all the metagaming.
Come on seriously given the number of answers in this thread that said "oh we take for granted there are spies in our intel channels anyhow", then why wasn't I just "allowed to join" straight away ?
What is the point of disallowing me access ?!?!
Seriously, you're just sending FW pilots that might fly for you away. I wasn't asking for fleets I was just asking for intel so I could at least find a fight - but not so big a fight to just get blapped straight away.
It just seems to me the fear has taken all reason out of the entire process. I would ask CCP to help - without any idea how they might do that, but I'd suggest people FAR better versed than I on the subject could put away their "spy fear" and think about it.
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Please keep in mind, this isn't a personal attack on anyone. Not am I saying those people having fun in FW or who had/have good experiences joining FW are wrong. I'm just saying this was my experience, and given that CCP kind of advertised FW as the place to go for some PEW if you're in between corps or just out on your own... I didn't get any. Seemed a lot of paranoia instead.
Just think about it.
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.03.01 05:24:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:I suspect you won't be satisfied with any reason that anyone gives you. There have been a few reasons stated so far. So let me counter you for a moment;
You've asked for the militia and/or CCP to adopt to you and your ideologies of how FW should operate. Why haven't you considered adopting to current militia standard procedures? Specifically, do the very simple things that Andrea Griffin mentioned. Is it that hard?
I still prefer what's currently in place because it acts as sort of a 'social filter'. If you got in, then it's because you did what Andrea suggested earlier. Or that you have the right contacts who got you in. Like life, high SPs and technical knowledge isn't always enough to get you ahead. Sometimes it's who you know and not what you know. Or sometimes, it's who knows you.
I think it's ironic that you created a corp which is more work than just joining one. I imagine if you want it done properly, you have to do it yourself :)
Furthermore, it would be even more ironic if you were to rejoin FW and could get in because you have a corp and become an ewok like the rest of us :)
That **** is just ego's gone awry. Many people play these games GENERALLY to get away from this kind of **** IRL.
"You have to know who's who before you're allowed in the club" is not a valid way of pilot selection or even spy filter.
That's just enabling people who can so easily **** with your perceptions. They are anonymous and can say or do anything to get into the club.
I shudder to think how many pilots you guys have turned off FW over the years with this dynamic.
It is of absolutely no loss to me to not be doing FW at this point. I was there only and completely for the pew, in between doing something with more substance.
If you cannot understand what I'm getting at fine, but the "boys club is necessary" is one of the most brainless posts I think I might've ever seen on eve-o and that's saying something.
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